tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post1134983164107932929..comments2024-03-28T22:37:25.540+00:00Comments on Eccles is saved: The World Cup of Liturgical AbusesEccleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00357168852208499013noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-17159372774571069332020-05-22T21:53:21.640+01:002020-05-22T21:53:21.640+01:00At a Mass in Oregon, USA I heard the celebrant tel...At a Mass in Oregon, USA I heard the celebrant telling the man bringing up the gifts to "hurry up his buns."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02694615623190579135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-54444733523041060312020-05-20T18:45:39.492+01:002020-05-20T18:45:39.492+01:00Laity joining in parts of the liturgy which should...Laity joining in parts of the liturgy which should be said by the priest alone.Jonathan Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03955408376728340845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-4858805473388827792020-05-19T23:28:12.738+01:002020-05-19T23:28:12.738+01:00Me too!
Me too!<br />Roseanne T. Sullivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00459964210191527635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-80992515750271035852020-05-19T17:56:30.812+01:002020-05-19T17:56:30.812+01:0012, and not that long ago! In those quite recent ...12, and not that long ago! In those quite recent days I shudder to admit I took part in a lot of these sorts of things. Then I started to have withdrawal symptoms and eventually went into recovery at a wonderful Ordinariate parish, where peeps from the Anglican fraternity are also now recovering.) I have also suffered many of the other abuses suggested in the comments. Sigh.Squashed Sardinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00853923913857193315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-2727000518343066442020-05-19T14:55:45.315+01:002020-05-19T14:55:45.315+01:00Off topic, if I may, for a moment, with Your Emine...Off topic, if I may, for a moment, with Your Eminence’s kind permission. I’ve just being glancing through the list of your awards, which happened to be exactly aligned with my previous post in this thread. Congratulations! Those are all remarkable achievements, in particular this one:<br /><br />David Lammy trophy for religious knowledge.<br /><br />That one is as strikingly unforgettable as Frank Sinatra singing “Smoke Gets In Your Eyes.”Ray Sunshinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07258297478457941505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-78874554776675619612020-05-19T13:10:31.936+01:002020-05-19T13:10:31.936+01:00There are several abuses on your list that, to my ...There are several abuses on your list that, to my inexpressible relief, I have never witnessed: clowns, puppets, idols, balloons, and introducing ourselves to our neighbours. <br /><br />I did, however, just once, have the misfortune to witness “liturgical dance.” It was about 25 years ago, in a Carmelite parish named after St. Therese of Lisieux. I wonder what she would have made of it.<br />Ray Sunshinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07258297478457941505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-17663270673936369012020-05-18T19:58:48.523+01:002020-05-18T19:58:48.523+01:00I'm not sure but your 5b beats my pastors use ...I'm not sure but your 5b beats my pastors use of Disney's "Color of the Wind" for all the music during one Mass. He had just come back from Disneyland so we got to hear about that during the pre Mass pre sermon as well as the sermon and post mass sermon dismissal thing-ee.newguy40https://www.blogger.com/profile/07691117339629857830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-39917954174152156502020-05-18T00:39:43.446+01:002020-05-18T00:39:43.446+01:00Priests that do number 3 on your list are already ...Priests that do number 3 on your list are already abusing the liturgy by putting us to sleep with their dreadfully boring homilies.NE7https://www.blogger.com/profile/12422763035766622170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-77541322260936142852020-05-18T00:01:23.378+01:002020-05-18T00:01:23.378+01:00[Part 2 - it wouldn't all fit in one comment]
...[Part 2 - it wouldn't all fit in one comment]<br /><br />6. I've also been at a Mass where everyone present is invited to receive Holy Communion, even if they are not Catholic and with no suggestion that they should also be in a state of grace.<br /><br />7. Dramatisation of the Gospel (normally by children) because it is much cuter than hearing Fr Rigid read it.<br /><br />I haven't even started on horrors from funerals but I think that's enough for now. <br /><br />Surely, I win the prize?<br /> <br />*Thankfully he was also wearing his civvies - jeans and shirt, plus socks and probably underpants.<br /><br />** The lyrics of Cilla Black's song allegedly in honour of the Sacred Heart:<br /><br />Anyone who ever loved could look at me<br />And know that I love you<br />Anyone who ever dreamed could look at me<br />And know I dream of you<br />Knowing I love you so<br />Anyone who had a heart<br />Would take me in his arms and love me, too<br />You couldn't really have a heart and hurt me<br />Like you hurt me and be so untrue<br />What am I to do<br />Every time you go away, I always say<br />This time it's goodbye, dear<br />Loving you the way I do<br />I take you back, without you I'd die dear<br />Knowing I love you so<br />Anyone who had a heart<br />Would take me in his arms and love me, too<br />You couldn't really have a heart and hurt me<br />Like you hurt me and be so untrue<br />What am I to do<br />Knowing I love you so<br />Anyone who had a heart<br />Would take me in his arms and love me, too<br />You couldn't really have a heart and hurt me<br />Like you hurt me and be so untrue<br />Anyone who had a heart would love me too<br />Anyone who had a heart would take me<br />In his arms and always love me too<br />Why won't you<br />Anyone who had a heart<br />Would love me too, yeah<br />Anyone who had a heart<br />Would take me in his arms and always love me<br />Why won't you, yes<br />Anyone who had a heart<br />Would love me too<br /><br />***The offertory motet to Ben the Rat:<br /><br />Ben, the two of us need look no more<br />We both found what we were looking for<br />With a friend to call my own<br />I'll never be alone<br />And you my friend will see<br />You've got a friend in me<br />(You've got a friend in me)<br />Ben, you're always running here and there<br />(Here and there)<br />You feel you're not wanted anywhere<br />(Anywhere)<br />If you ever look behind<br />And don't like what you find<br />There's something you should know<br />You've got a place to go<br />(You've got a place to go)<br />I used to say "I" and "me"<br />Now it's "us", now it's "we"<br />I used to say "I" and "me"<br />Now it's "us", now it's "we"<br />Pengonohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947929971708105337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-69042350900147262722020-05-18T00:00:34.888+01:002020-05-18T00:00:34.888+01:00[Part 1]
12 for me - and a few others (thankfully...[Part 1]<br /><br />12 for me - and a few others (thankfully most are from years back when I was a yoof attending yoof Masses):<br /><br />1. Priests who forget to wear their vestments (I was at one Mass where the priest forgot to wear anything except a stole)*<br /><br />2. Mass with the priest and congregation remaining seated throughout (without standing for the Gospel or kneeling for the consecration) - apart from standing up to have a big kiss and cuddle before Communion. It's nice when everyone is sitting together in a circle for this.<br /><br />3. When no. 2 can't be done because the Church is too big, the priest shows his love for children by calling them up during the Canon (which is called Eucharistic Prayer no. 2 in churches where this happens) to stand around the altar with him.<br /><br />4. The use of a non Biblical reading (or even a document from a spirit-filled Council), because Paul's letter to the Romans is rather boring or misogynistic. <br /><br />5. Not just bad hymns but recordings of secular music that have no pretence to have anything sacred about them. Two such examples:<br /><br />a) Cilla Black's funeral (which I saw on TV as I didn't get an invite) where at Holy Communion she sang (well, she didn't sing it then - it was a recording) "Anyone who had a heart." I mentioned to a fellow Catholic that I thought this was terrible and she said that it enabled people to think of Jesus's heart and his love for us. I wasn't really convinced by this. **<br /><br />b) At a Yoof Mass I attended the Offertory "hymn" was a recording of Michael Jackson's "Ben", because recently someone had died called Ben and he had been spoken about during the homily (which if I recall correctly was not even given by a priest or deacon). Though well intentioned I suspect that the person responsible was not aware that the "Ben" in MJ's song is a rat (and obviously clueless about the music that should be played in Church).<br /><br />Pengonohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947929971708105337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-58736962015344448362020-05-17T23:52:37.186+01:002020-05-17T23:52:37.186+01:00Communion in the hand and no hymns, not even a cap...Communion in the hand and no hymns, not even a capella.<br />That was at my Anglican Mission. Not to mention, feast days celebrated on the wrong day.NE7https://www.blogger.com/profile/12422763035766622170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-23947837244055658592020-05-17T13:34:27.129+01:002020-05-17T13:34:27.129+01:00The priest and the children actually blowing up re...The priest and the children actually blowing up red balloons during the Christmas Day Mass. This abuse was to show us that the nativity was a joyful event.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08313924227726144496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-23516728032925998312020-05-17T12:35:57.209+01:002020-05-17T12:35:57.209+01:00Have experienced the following- I don't do twe...Have experienced the following- I don't do tweeter:<br />dancing<br />fem altar servers<br />fem extra-curricular ministers<br />comm in hand<br />sign of peace<br />holding hands<br />orans<br />bad hymns<br />introductions<br />changing words<br />guitarsKevin Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04028693678908536460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-75359024717575820362020-05-17T10:33:56.250+01:002020-05-17T10:33:56.250+01:0011 here11 herePelerinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242844701379703515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-50622224758496154162020-05-17T10:00:54.215+01:002020-05-17T10:00:54.215+01:0010. Then I made a couple of attempts at listing p...10. Then I made a couple of attempts at listing practices even zanier than those of yours, Eccles, especially occurring during Children's Masses, and gave up in despair.<br /><br />But the practice of rewriting the liturgy to suit the priest's Whim of the Day, is the most pernicious IMHO, because the most insidiously misleading. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-42735733150103319242020-05-17T02:44:13.732+01:002020-05-17T02:44:13.732+01:00The sign of peace would be better if it ended befo...The sign of peace would be better if it ended before the Mass started...!Christifidelishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02396822153223034637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-32286399707144954742020-05-16T23:13:47.913+01:002020-05-16T23:13:47.913+01:00Ten. For bonus credit, I submit: fraction of the (...Ten. For bonus credit, I submit: fraction of the (unconsecrated) host at the start of the Institution Narrative.Romulushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17734318488290892002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-18259138585045195372020-05-16T23:10:31.514+01:002020-05-16T23:10:31.514+01:0012, unless a nun in a leotard doing the liturgical...12, unless a nun in a leotard doing the liturgical dancing counts separately. Then it's 13.Jovan-Marya Weismiller, T.O.Carm.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05563666190071708640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-90368254505197785252020-05-16T21:42:34.537+01:002020-05-16T21:42:34.537+01:00650650A priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16797191481732018463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-27522565514336861942020-05-16T19:21:19.389+01:002020-05-16T19:21:19.389+01:0011. But 4 or 5 of them happened in the early 80s. ...11. But 4 or 5 of them happened in the early 80s. I look forward to a hard fought contest!Marc in Eugenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04331547981498637474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-34713166704598496002020-05-16T17:34:45.120+01:002020-05-16T17:34:45.120+01:00Some of these are more serious than others and I w...Some of these are more serious than others and I would prefer to save my ire for those abuses which are not mandated by authority like changing the words, laity adopting the orans position, baloons etc. Patriciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906131174326742939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-72216855702863770582020-05-16T17:17:09.909+01:002020-05-16T17:17:09.909+01:00Too many to list. I'll just watch what everyo...Too many to list. I'll just watch what everyone else has to say...newguy40https://www.blogger.com/profile/07691117339629857830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-31279561071344058812020-05-16T17:12:54.084+01:002020-05-16T17:12:54.084+01:00Priest coming down to sit next to his boyfriend du...Priest coming down to sit next to his boyfriend during the readings.<br />Angelikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10995517442664918936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-39153607292107983312020-05-16T17:09:17.525+01:002020-05-16T17:09:17.525+01:001414Fr PJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12597780307057121375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-2989682814719161952020-05-16T16:16:03.989+01:002020-05-16T16:16:03.989+01:00The sign of peace would be fine if it ended before...The sign of peace would be fine if it ended before the Agnus Dei started.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com