tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post8911470787827683689..comments2024-03-28T09:49:29.979+00:00Comments on Eccles is saved: Newman was my kind of CatholicEccleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00357168852208499013noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-59590682469294036132019-10-14T01:41:36.936+01:002019-10-14T01:41:36.936+01:00Newman died in 1890, so he never said anything in ...Newman died in 1890, so he never said anything in 1895. This causes me to question some of your other "facts."Fr. VFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14879996737991671701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-13373738875345728482019-10-13T17:13:38.067+01:002019-10-13T17:13:38.067+01:00I'm sure many unhappy people who are 'gay&...I'm sure many unhappy people who are 'gay' would like to imagine that Newman was. However having a best friend of the same sex does not mean that you are same sex attracted any more than having a best friend of the opposite sex means that you are having or even want to have a sexual relationship with them.<br /><br />Posted by Fr. John Hunwicke on his blog http://liturgicalnotes.blogspot.com<br />20 September 2019<br />Newman's sexuality<br />There is, I fear, more than a risk that the ill-disposed will take advantage of the canonisation of Blessed John Henry to try to conscript him posthumously into the homosexualist cause. A surviving letter from the teenage Newman referring to 'temptations' from girls at parties is enough to put paid to such offensive nonsense.<br /><br />I think it was Henry Chadwick who once dropped the hint that anybody genuinely interested in the sexuality of Blessed John Henry Newman should have a look at his relationship with Maria Giberne. There is certainly evidence in his letters that Newman regarded the love which St John had for him, and that of Maria, as of the same nature; and felt the same response to the affection of each. He records his deep sorrow that he had never disclosed to St John before his death his appreciation for St John's devotion to him: which proves that not only was the relationship not physically intimate; it was not even emotionally intimate. Newman, that is, was too shy even to say to his closest friend ...<br /><br />There is a long history in the Christian tradition of thinking about such friendships. S Aelred wrote about them. Byzantine sources, notoriously, provided liturgical rites for sanctifying such friendships, which even included rituals borrowed from the liturgies of matrimony. Notoriously, these analogues have been used to support 'gay marriage'. But in an age when legal codes commonly provided severe penalties, not excluding death, for sodomy, the assumption enthusiastically made, that those composing and celebrating such rites were cheerfully and consciously providing publicly sanctified occasions for genital relationships, is nothing less than plain dippy.<br /><br />A person who could believe that, could believe anything; there is probably little point in reasoning with people who have stationed themselves so far apart from the world of reality and from what is historically probable.<br /><br />But the question of Friendship does require re-examination simply because it is a part of our Tradition which is suffering something of an eclipse. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08313924227726144496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-81286456225931519162019-10-13T12:30:52.460+01:002019-10-13T12:30:52.460+01:00I concur with your evaluation of Cardinal Newman a...I concur with your evaluation of Cardinal Newman as a saint for our days but, with further investigation of your reference to feathers, it becomes even more clearly so. In 1843 while he was "transitioning" a little reported incident ocurred concerning his "acompanying" of some Southeast Asian avifauna at the recently founded Whipsnade Zoo. The Bedfordshire constabulary were unconvinced and only the intervention of Sir Stamford Raffles who had "acompanied" the birds himself to England had the charges dismissed. Newman never after hankered for feathers, though his choice of a Saturno was perhaps unwise in today's ecclesiastical climateAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15507794396257824514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-34839134241167662122019-10-13T00:55:35.332+01:002019-10-13T00:55:35.332+01:00The Pope's grandparents will have been born wh...The Pope's grandparents will have been born while Newman was still alive. Hours from now, England and English will be recognised, not only as a land and a language of people who died for the Faith a long time, but as a land and a language in which the Faith is written in the modern age. We did it. We have lived to see this.<br /><br /><b><i>Praise to the Holiest in the height, <br />And in the depth be praise;<br />In all His words most wonderful,<br />Most sure in all His ways.</i></b>David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4508374680487030801.post-44143575771338572472019-10-12T14:53:56.045+01:002019-10-12T14:53:56.045+01:00Mr. Lambchop's article originally appeared in ...Mr. Lambchop's article originally appeared in the Ur-Tablet, the oldest Catholic newspaper in the English-speaking world - originally etched in cuneiform on small clay tablets before there were any Catholics or English-speakers.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13045412639600882073noreply@blogger.com